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  • Guest Writer 19:19 on July 25, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Power of Transition – How Moyes Might Be On To A Winner… 

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    Once more unto the breach dear friends……………….kind of.

    For two decades Manchester United fans have set out in August, more in expectation than in mere hope. We had an advantage, an extra ingredient that set us apart from the rest.
     
    This isn’t just the view of someone born with pre-installed scarlet contact lenses; this was something a City fan said to me in March: “We can spend all the money in the world, but as long as you have Fergie – you’ll always have the upper hand”.
     
    I agreed with him of course, in fact during the conversation I agreed with most things he said. If you can put your colours to one side (occasionally) you’ll find the view from ‘The Enemy’ quite interesting. I had a similar conversation with a Liverpool fan In June. Although he’d filled his ‘LFC Conspiracy theory Bingo card’ within the first 15 minutes –I did eventually get some sense out of him. He too admitted that having a man like ‘Alex Ferguson’ (“It’s SIR Alex mate!”) in charge for such a long time, meant that going into each season United knew what to expect. (More …)
     
  • Sarah 12:00 on July 12, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The start of a new era for Manchester United 

    David Moyes at Old Trafford

    It has been very quiet at TF Towers for a while now, the over saturation of United gossip on social networks is one of the factors of my lack of writing on anything United related. So much has changed since I last wrote here, both at the club and also on a personal level.

    This is a Manchester United blog so I won’t bore you with the personal stuff. Although I will add that I do not cope well with change, so Sir Alex’s retirement has kicked me in the gut several times over and I’m sure it will continue to do so. Like many have said they have never known anything other than Sir Alex at United and I am the same, we have been a privileged group of supporters to witness his time with Manchester United.

    When I think of United without Sir Alex as Manager, I still feel tears emerging from my eyes. I am actually fighting them back now as writing this all makes it real. At every coaching course that I have been on Sir Alex was used as an example, the broadest proud grin used to come across my face every time. That was OUR manager. I had even managed to make my English presentation at school on ‘Motivational Leaders’ about him. My teacher supported Arsenal so you can imagine how well that went down…

    But he really has gone. We have a new Manager now. Everything starts fresh. (More …)

     
  • Guest Writer 10:58 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Wayne Rooney: Is he really in the wrong? 

    Sir Alex Ferguson and Wayne Rooney

     

    Today, The Faithful welcomes Nathon Woodhead from Red Flag Flying High. You can follow the site @RFFH and Nathon @nathonw on twitter.

    The retirement of Alex Ferguson spells an end to the greatest era in the history of Manchester United, but with every end comes a new beginning.

    The greatest manager of his generation, and arguably of all-time; Sir Alex brought success after success to the club, rebuilding squads, creating formulas for title winning sides and laying a foundation for future success – but he did not always get it right.

    We all know it took a fair few years before Ferguson won his first trophy. We all remember the sale of Jaap Stam, which should never have happened. We all remember the apparent forcing of David Beckham out of the club as he was perceived to be getting too big for his boots and far too much media attention. We are all aware of the Djemba-Djemba years in which Chelsea and Arsenal both dominated the Premier League, whilst United lurked in the background, miles behind the two London outfits in terms of ability, team spirit and all round solidity.

    Arsenal went a season unbeaten, followed by Chelsea who won back to back titles and a record breaking Premier League points total – not to mention they had the financial backing of a Russian billionaire so could continue to buy the best players… but Sir Alex, again, built a squad that not only won the domestic league title back, but went on to win the Champions League.

    The sign of a true winner is how you react when the chips are down. Sir Alex Ferguson was a winner. (More …)

     
    • REALLY? 11:16 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Because going against SAF is the new hip? Transfer req twice. Played outta position coz he was out of form. But hey, lets blame Fergie.

      • Sarah 11:39 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        This article was never going to be popular with all, it just offers a different view. Thanks for reading :)

    • kings 11:28 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      If he wants to leave I think he should.Nobody is bigger than the club.Manchester united has made heroes and legends,we appreciate his service to the club but if he is not willing to play for man united he shouldn’t be forced to stay.There are many greats who retired or were sold but the club still winning medals

    • wayne 11:39 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Rooney’s form and fitness dipped considerably why should Rooney be guaranteed a starting place?because he’s Wayne Rooney doesn’t work like that.Rooney is a professional footballer making a fortune every month,yet he acted like a baby because although he asked Sir Alex for better players spat his dummy out because he was no longer the main man
      Rooney needs to grow up and start earning the fortune he get’s paid every week,is Rooney wrong of course he is in every way,spoiled little bastard.I read Rooney needs to feel wanted and loved,what a load of bollocks,he’s a in a decline and needs to lay off the smokes,junk food and booze and start applying himself

    • pjch 12:38 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the article. I am of the firm opinion that Rooney did not ask for a transfer and this was Ferguson sticking the knife in as a parting shot – we all know what he is capable of to get his own way. In fact haven’t the club denied that Rooney has not asked for a transfer at all.
      Lets put the Rooney saga behind him and support him when he puts on the shirt at the beginning of the season and not get on his back because of misguided words by Ferguson at the end of last season

    • lloyd 13:10 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Well, I salute the objectiveness of the article. And yes SAF shouldn’t have spoke about the 2nd transfer request .. But this will turn out “a blessing in disguise”, Rooney with a point to prove and back by Moyes, we may see his best season at old Traford yet… When i first heard moyes was the new manager, i thought, “well there’s no way we’ll keep the premier league title” (a cup would seem more likely). I’ve never known Manchester UTD without SAF (felt like crap for quite some days)… then slowly, again, I see the champion team left by SAF, the club structure, the winning and fighting spirit, a whole new team ready for the challenge under a new manager. We still might not keep the title, but you’re not going to get it easy either and in a season’s time, The red devils will make you tremble again! Once a red, always a red!! Glory Man Utd!!

    • wayne 13:51 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      sure one of the greatest most respected managers of all time is lying and Rooney who all he’s ever done is lie and get into off field trouble is telling the truth.Like to point out it’s always Rooney’s ‘camp’ that comes out about him not asking for a transfer.Know why Rooney doesn’t because he’d lose his transfer fee,it’s all about greed and selfishness with Rooney.
      pjch you need to give your head a shake backing Rooney over Sir Alex what is wrong with you

    • Ayoola Alawusa 14:44 on July 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Firstly your article isn’t in the balance. It is sentimental…. Secondly , I think if as a player I’m dropped from games I’ll ask questions….. But not after I’ve questioned myself….. “What did I do wrong?” “Is my form a lil awful?!” “Is it a tactical plan that required me to sacrifice position?!” ….. All these kinda question should be in your head….. Yeah! Rooney is a great player but the truth was he wasn’t up to his standards last season…. SAF confirmed this after a match in which he played CM by saying a fit/in-form rooney wouldn’t be subbed….. Yeah! Maybe SAF shouldn’t have said that openly buh I’m happy he did….. I don’t think he has made a mistake with Rooney. I think Rooney should have thought well and hard before such utterances….. He was playing in CM and being subbed cos he wasn’t his super self….. Let’s not indulge or beat around the bush,if Wayne was Wayne then we’ll have 2 strikers pass the 20league goal margin…… He let himself down IMO….. SAF maybe just felt he was about to hold the club to ransom again so he wisely turned the fans against him….. So you blame him for that? You expect him to babysit him and start narrating bedtime stories about why he wasn’t playing CM&getting subbed?! Did you hear what Mike Clegg said about Rooney’s gym workouts?! The problem is with Wayne… I hope he stays,I hope he forms that lethal partnership with RVP…..
      Buh most of all I want him to realise is that he messed up,and like you said “The sign of a true winner is how you react when the
      chips are down. Sir Alex Ferguson was a winner.” So I expect him to act like one.

    • Rite$h 07:48 on July 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Nobody is bigger than the club, if players like Beckham, Nistelrooy and CR7 were sold, then Rooney can leave if he wants, but of course at the right price. Rio has asked him to stay, so did Moyes so far, but just look at this pic to see that he’s not really in the mood to continue on: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/11/article-2359993-1AC1F16D000005DC-413_306x465.jpg

  • Rob B 14:11 on October 23, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Fergie, Twitter & The Black Ferderation – How Rio Can Really Help 

    When I was a kid I used to watch a programme called ‘America’s Top Ten’

    I was a music buff. I had a fascination with the charts, how many records were sold, and how long these chunks of vinyl stayed popular. It was natural that  one day it would become my job.

    The programme used to be on ridiculously late at night, so I would tape it on our battered VHS…and watch it when I got home from school with a peanut butter sandwich and a pint of Um Bongo. Ah heady days. One of the segments of the programme that used to confuse me was a two minute run down of ‘The Black Chart.’ I was not clear what this meant…but I assumed it was a chart for black artists…or was it a chart for black music? The point is…it was a sub-chart for the main thing…the real deal Billboard. It was a chart to separate a certain genre and artist away from the mainstream. Sometimes it would be refered to as the RnB chart, but some of the acts were clearly NOT RnB. It was a sign of the times in 1985. Segregation was understood, even though strides were being made to break down barriers. Years later in the UK, in the late 90s…we would call it the Urban chart. This was to escape the racial direction the name of a chart could lean on, and to try to promote an inclusive element to music purchasing. To make sure that discrimination had no place in our modern industry.

    When Sir Alex made his bombastic comments about Jason Roberts, and then his promise to ‘deal with’ Rio Ferdinand for not wearing a Kick It Out T-Shirt…I was perplexed, and a tad angry. Yes we worship Fergie. He has been there and bought the t-shirt! The old man knows the game inside out. And as much as I love him…I realise he isn’t always right. I thought he had dropped a ricket…pulling rank on a player who has spent a year supporting his brother in what is the most famous case of a racist accusation in English football history.

    So I was delighted when later the manager publicly came out and backed Rio’s right to have freedom of choice, giving his opinion on how we should move forward together, rather than acting in an old skool manner. His words were reassuring. He explained his thoughts on ‘union’…and he sounded like the wise sage we know he is. Harmony was restored swiftly…just how we like it.

    Now we hear of ‘The Federation of Black Players’… (More …)

     
  • Sarah 18:02 on August 17, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Reasons to be excited because Manchester United are back! 

    Reasons to be excited because Manchester United are back

    Before I start, I realise how can I list all the wonderful things about Manchester United being back in just a few points on a blog. Well I can write an opus but would anyone take the time to read it? Exactly. I like most of you I’m sure, are not just excited about Manchester United being back but also the football season. Manchester United is the all consuming part of my life but football itself is a big passion of mine also.

    Some of these reasons might not be totally Manchester United related but it’s my list and I can do what I want!

    The Premier League is back tomorrow!

    First and foremost the season starts tomorrow, our campaign starts against Everton at Goodison Park on Monday night. Hard to believe that we’ve waited so long for the new season isn’t it? Some of us impatiently… (More …)

     
  • Rob B 14:02 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Will Sir Alex Stab Every United Fan In The Heart? An Overview.. 

    People always believe what they want to believe.

    And people have the right to change their opinions as and when things happen.

    So the IPO breakdown is out. It appears that the Glazers will now split the profits from this floatation…rather than plough it back into the club. This fact is hardly surprising. We understand their motives. It’s painfully obvious. However, there is one curveball in all this that I didn’t see coming:

    Page 113 of the prospectus states: ‘to be awarded to select employees, consultants and non-employee directors’

    Hmm. This line on its own is open to interpretation. However, if you have ever operated in a commercial business before the sentiment is fairly straight forward. Those that help the owners run the business…will profit. Simple. The participants in this award…well we will probably never know for sure…for we are only the fans! What right do we have to know??!! In business terms…none.

    So who are these ‘select employees’ ?

    Well, David Gill will be one. For sure. He is the ultimate Glazer puppet. He is also a very easy target, for those who bang the LUHG drum. Those who sit around a boardroom table are often demonized. They hold the purse strings. It’s easy to think of them as financial devils when sometimes they are not! But what about Fergie? Is he a ‘select employee’?? I would say any manager of any football club would be considered as having such a standing in the business..especially the greatest coach of all time, who likes his fingers in all the pies.

    Now this could very easily turn into an Alex Ferguson witch-hunt, so its important to step away from the rifle…so it is not within arms reach. The financial stripping of our club is more emotive than any non-signing. Any bit of transfer tat. Some fans amazingly don’t understand this. I’ve always tried to shy away from the political element of Manchester United. Why? Cos frankly it is boring compared to watching the lads play! But I do understand that somethings can’t be brushed under the carpet. And there is a question now that must be addressed:

    Will Alex Ferguson’s wallet directly benefit from this cash extraction by the Glazers under the cloak of this IPO? (More …)

     
    • Brian 14:29 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Alright m8, good article, however aren’t the PIK loans in the Glazers own name, the £200 odd million that has to be paid before 2017 or the banks get a piece of the club, so it would make sense if they took the money themselves to pay off their own debt. And yes I know its all their own doing but if this was paid off it would only leave (sic) £200+ million debt actually on the club. I detest what the Glazers have done to my beloved Manchester United but paying off their PIK loans with the flotation money would reduce our interest payments further still. The only issue would then be the shareholders dividend and whether we would ever get back in the black. Or am I looking at this through rose tinted spectacles??

    • upyoursciteh 14:54 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      You are right. Time for fergie to leave before his reputation is tarnished. He has been sucking up to the glazers for years. Well fergie “we see no value of u being st manu”. The sooner our club is sold to the fans the better. But I’m not holding my breath!!

    • TomPattison 14:59 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      As someone whose known Rob for some time now, you will not find a more dedicated Manchester United supporter. He puts armchair fans like myself to shame. For Rob – who as he writes has been loathe to make sweeping declarations without due evidence – to feel moved to write this shows just how perilous a position we find our club in. Don’t just skim it, read a fairy tale about £30m signings and go and buy your tea towel shirt – if you really are a United fan you need to support the movement NOW.

      When the fans are United, we will never be divided.

    • John Phillips 15:38 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Everybody needs to get a grip. Like it or not football, today, is big, big business and to be successful at it the people running the business (note I didn’t call it a club) have to play HARDBALL.
      Trust me when I tell you that Sir Alex plays hardball. To have survived this long he has too. Thank God we got him! And if he gets rewarded for the unbelievable success he brings good luck to him. Look at the long term team building/future planning he is working on. The rewards for this will evolve long after he has retired…….this is not the action of a selfish man. He loves Man U……again, I didn’t call it a club. It’ s a business and the business succession plan is unfolding. Be thankful the Gaffer is as gifted as he is. All United fans should be supporting him.

    • realist 15:40 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      anti fergie fans can suck my cock…….attention seeking twats, fuck off and support chelsea!

    • Unitedd forever 16:07 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      For all the glazers supposed faults can we say that at any stage since the glazers took over our beloved united the club has fallen away in league or champions league?or have not been given money in the transfer window!for all the negativity aroused by sections of our mighty united family can we say we are even close to the bad old days before our saviour sir Alex ferguson took over!some people don’t seem to realise what business savvy the glasets have!?do you think it’s coinsidence that united have just signed a very lucerative deal with general motors a deal that I am sure we would not have aquired without our much beligned American owners!so until the day comes that there’s a sign that the glazers actually show signs that they are really dragging us down!we need to have faith in the top brass at Manchester united football club!

    • Redbud 17:01 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      You are not a Glazer sympathiser, you are a Glazer apologist. As for Ferguson, good God man have you been asleep for the last 7 years? Stevie Wonder can see Fergie’s true motivation and where his loyalties lie. Fabulous manager he may have been, but as a man & Man United fan he stinks.

    • Ian Davis 19:28 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I agree it is bad news that the owners are looking at taking funds out of the club and although we are making more money than ever before it is mainly the fans that are paying it. The cost has more than doubled in the last 10 years and they are on the verge of out-pricing the real fans.

      To say that Fergie will have stabbed us in the heart though is a step to far…..

      To start with we will never know whether he gets a payoff, Manchester United have always kept their business private and out of the media, even when we were a PLC and before the Glaziers were even on the scene.

      Would anyone be bothered if Fergie received a payment of the Glaziers through Manchester United as a performance bonus for his part in making Manchester United the biggest sports club in the world? I highly doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. He deserves any money he gets from Manchester United as he has earned every penny and more.

      I am a lifelong Manchester United fan and Stretford End season ticket holder and I will not judge Fergie on anything other his results and work ethic which have never faltered.

      The only issue is that the Glaziers who have not done anything to assist in the growth of Manchester United are to continually benefit from putting the club in more and more risky positions, buying things they can’t afford, having no money left to invest when needed.

      Please don’t read this article and start jumping on a band wagon that Fergie is in somehow stealing from Manchester United. That is simply not the truth but the glaziers are underhand and sneaky and I am concerned for the future of my club at their hands.

      Fingers crossed the debt ends and the investment starts to roll soon as without trophies, the future is Arsenal and none of us want that.

    • Andy 19:52 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I like where your head’s at Rob B.

    • Trad Israr 20:35 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      COMPLETE BULLSHIT! How the f can this person call himself a United fan when he talks such utter and complete crap about the one person who made the club into what it is today?

      SAF wants money? He’s been at the club for 25 years, he’s won EVERYTHING for the club, do you think he hasn’t been handsomely rewarded for all that? Do you still think he lacks for money? Money being the driving factor behind this for SAF? The man who’s at 70 years of age, goes through psychological turmoil because of the season and all it’s mindgames/media/players and all that, he wants money? Wow, words fail me at this point.

      Okay the Glazers are trying to repay their debt using United’s funding, but why does this self righteous columnist thinks he has the right to tarnish the reputation of SAF on unfounded allegations?

      If i write an article saying i’m the next man united manager, it doesn’t make it true. This is such a biased aur opinionated article, doesn’t this columnist know that reporting is a job that you do with a very neutral stance? Please don’t give me the “he’s a very loyal/passionate fan so he couldn’t control his emotions” type thing, I’m guessing he isn’t even a true United fan, he’s just another hater who has written an attention seeking article.

    • Dhemziy 21:29 on July 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I dnt wanna believe it too…. But hez jes said the whole entire truth…

      Cheers
      2 a true Manchester United fan

    • Face 14:09 on August 1, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      never read such utter rubbish.
      So what if Fergie gets some of the windfall. Is that any different to any wage increase he has taken over the years? Nobody knows the full details, its pure speculation, mainly driven by those with an anti United agenda who stopped watching the club long before we even heard of the Glazers.

      Fergie gets paid a wage, a very good one at that, but he gets less than many other managers. Perhaps the structure of the club has held back his wage. Any gift of shares is simply another extension of any wage that he is entitled to.

      Anyone who chooses to slag off Ferguson, should stay away from Old Trafford, as quite frankly, we dont need your non-support.

      Perhaps we should slag off every player who ever played for the club, as each and every one of them has taken a wage from the club.

      Its a pity that some people blinkered moral stance doesnt apply to anything else in society, but then again, they dont cash in themselves by blogging about other ethical issues. Another blog site cashng in on the name of MUFC.

  • nashathassan 12:03 on July 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Alex Ferguson – The Real Dark Knight Of Manchester 

    By now I am sure many of you would have read about Sir Alex Ferguson’s latest rant in which he defended Manchester United’s owners, the Glazer family. In his press conference, Fergie even went on to attack sections of the United fan base by claiming that those opposing the Glazer’s control over the club are not ‘real’ fans. Various journalists and bloggers have tried to make sense of the whole situation with many taking offence to Fergie’s attack, whilst others have agreed with his stance.

    There have been dozens of articles showing all sorts of figures to prove just how badly the Glazer family have hampered Manchester United’s progress over the last 7 years whilst using words such as ‘IPO’ and ‘Bonds’, something which I don’t even want to pretend I understand. Now although I’m against the Glazer ownership, I’ve decided not to jump on the bandwagon and criticise Sir Alex for his comments. Instead, I feel its best that we try and make sense of what lead to him saying what he did.

    The first theory put forward by many to try and explain Sir Alex’s attack is that he’s trying to promote the selling of season tickets at Old Trafford before the season starts. The logic behind this is that ‘if Fergie defends the Glazers and says we have money, then people would believe we’ll sign more players this transfer window ’. Yes, the idea that we’re still able to compete with City and Chelsea when it comes to paying hefty transfer fees and wages is one we’d all like to believe, however that might not necessarily encourage fans to buy season tickets. In fact, it could even have the exact opposite effect. If Fergie’s come out and verbally attacked large sections of the crowd, many would feel offended and be put off renewing their season tickets.

    It’s then safe to assume that Alex wasn’t trying to encourage the sale of season tickets, so what was the idea behind his rant? If reports are believed, United are currently chasing various big-name talents across the globe, ranging from the likes of Lucas Moura to Robin Van Persie. If the manager was genuinely interested in signing these players, or any other top talent, it’s essential that the club is shown to be in good hands. How can a club where the manager is opposed to the club’s owner look like a promising attraction to anyone interested in joining the club? It isn’t, and so it’s a no-brainer that Fergie would defend the Glazer family. A club with a stable foundation is an attractive one, so even though our current state isn’t such, Sir Alex is still trying to make it look like that’s the case. (More …)

     
    • pjch 13:06 on July 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      It is beyond me why SAF would want to attack fans like he did. Hope its not to deflect away from our transfer policy which sees us miss out on top class players because of unwillingness to spend that little bit extra to get the type of player that would make united CL champions again. I read that to get Lucas we just need to up the offer but will we. His other comments in the past like no value in the market doesn’t hold good. Other clubs are strengthening by buying players while united waste money on a player like Bebe. And if we are short of funds then the players at united that need to be sold to make way for the likes of Lucas should be sold. The price of top players will not go down in the near future so SAF needs to get real – pay the money or just stop blaming everything else.

    • SoccerLimey 20:21 on July 24, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      It’s my contention that nothing has changed whatsoever in Ferguson’s attitude towards The Glazer family and their ownership. He has always supported them and will continue to do so while he is at the club. Any deviance away from that would cause untold chaos among the fans and club officials.

      I for one, don’t have an issue with the club’s policy at the moment. We all know that “The Old Man” hates over paying for players and the $45m he forked out for Berbatov has still to stick in his craw. Some of the mindless idiots that claim themselves to be “real fans” (I’d still like someone to define that term sensibly for me) spit forth their venom hoping to change the club’s philosophy. I don’t get it.

      If you read what Ferguson said in his conversation,

      “”When the Glazers took over here there was dissatisfaction, so there have always been pockets of supporters who have their views. But I think the majority of real fans will look at it realistically and say it’s not affecting the team. We’ve won four championships since they’ve been there and one European Cup.”

      we can see there is no mention of disrespect to fans. He acknowledges the fact that some fans will disagree with the club. Personally, I have no problem with that. The market has been warped beyond belief by Chelsea, Man City and Real Madrid and I’m glad the club looks for value and not just name signings.

      The financial state of the club is cause for concern. If fans want to protest, then don’t spend your money. That’s about the strongest message to be sent in this circumstance.

      A great site for understanding the United financials is “The Andersred Blog” at http://andersred.blogspot.com/

    • Maik 14:26 on July 25, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I want to add that SAF never actually said that if you don’t agree with what he said you weren’t a real fan. What he said is that MOST real fans agreed with him, which is most probably wrong, but still, completely different from saying who is or isn’t a real fan.

  • ChiefWaffler 14:56 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    The Curious Cases of Paul Pogba and Ravel Morrison 

    Gibson has already gone... is Pogba next?

    Social networks have many plusses and an equal amount of negatives, none of which I will go in to here in much detail. Personally I use Twitter as a forum to discuss many things, none more than United, with people from all over the world. But one thing is abundantly clear from using this forum, and that is the majority of ‘fans’ on there act like hormone-ravaged schoolgirls at a Justin Beiber concert when it comes to Paul Pogba and Ravel Morrison. Recent news of moves away for the two talented youngsters has sent the fan-boys and girls into melt down. The level of hysteria shown by the masses of United related tweeters have surpassed the feelings shown when Ronaldo left, when Rooney threw his wage-related paddy or when Scholes retired. The statements I have read have filled me with a plethora of emotions ranging from disgusted to embarrassed, annoyed to just down-right confused. I read calls for Fergie losing the plot because we aren’t doing enough to secure their signatures. I witnessed tweets where people have actually abused Morrison and his girlfriend because he is rumoured to be moving to Newcastle. What the hell is going on people? (More …)

     
    • Wayne gresty 15:20 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      It so true this just reading some peoples timelines is madness how they go on too these young kids, there going to try it on all the time!

    • eltricolor2014 15:22 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      We already have our graduate from the academy which may be at the same level with Becks, Scholes, Butt and the like and that’s Tom Cleverly (really hope to see him back in Feb.). No need to worry if Pogba or Morrison would leave cept they’d be fools if they think they can go to a better club.

    • Daniel Tuck 15:23 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Great post, too true. Idiot fans who dont know much about their own club.In Sir Alex we trust.

    • Dime 15:40 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Nice post, i must say. This panic is exaggerated.
      But, you can not deny that we invested a lot in these 2 guys already, they are one of the best youngsters on the island and losing them would mean that we are doing something wrong in our scholar policy.

      I can see that clubs getting those players for nothing would mean that we are a feeder club. The lack of loyalty that these players show (or the media show) is their problem and it’s unacceptable. But, onthe other side, we are living in a different context then the young Giggsy era, so we must adaprt on the market and show that we are competitive financially to keep our best players.

      Regards

    • Brookesy 15:45 on January 13, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Pique probably worth about 30 million now and Rossi at Villareal is probably worth about the same. No brilliant bit of business letting those go on the cheap. I agree Fergie is a great manager but I have to question some of his decisions at times. Manchester United will always be bigger than one invidual and that includes Pogba, Morrison and SAF!!!!! Roy Keane made a few good points a week or 2 ago after our dreadful showing in Basel!

    • MUFC689908 16:07 on January 18, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      It would be a real shame to see these two lads go, especially Pogba. I’ve been a season ticket holder for three years, and have watched the reserves for around 4, including Pogba debut. I think that it is true that we cannot get held to ransom, but I do feel to lose BOTH Pogba and Morrison would be a real disaster and show a decline in the clubs ambitions. Although I agree (if the stories are true), I would have to say I would rather see Ravel leave as opposed to Pogba, as Pogba seems more interested in playing football (shame about his agent), whereas Morrison seems to have a few screws loose. With the departure of Darron Gibson too, it has be be pointed out the wage bill has dropped, and surely this is enough to sign either Pogba or Morrison?
      I think it would be a real disaster to lose either of them and see them go on to great success, and after all the praise SAF has been giving Pogba, I really do hope he does not let it happen.

  • TomPattison 13:32 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    Alex Ferguson’s Lies – A Risk To Souring His Legacy? 

    This article gives me little pleasure to write.

    Alex Ferguson is, has been, and always will be something of a hero to me. Thanks to him my time supporting United has coincided with a seemingly endless run of success. A glorious chapter that could never have been foreseen by those, like my Dad, who have spent the bulk of their football life clinging onto the occasional cup success. However one of the sobering experiences of growing up is recognising your heroes to be less than the faultless, supreme beings you thought they were. Rightly or wrongly, I perceived Alex Ferguson as ‘different’, a bastion of truth, someone who understood what our great club means to the fans. No longer can this be argued to be the case; over the last half decade our manager has become not only distant but purposefully misleading in his communication with the fans.

    In short; Alex Ferguson is a liar.

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    • bruce thomas 14:09 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Couldn’t agree more. But nothing will change. Only when the real slide begins — and by then it may be too late to turn things round. Fucking Gimps.

      • Humanoid 19:40 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Apparently during Chelsea’s rise, United were dead. We came back. We conquered ALL. Fergie makes mistakes. Everyone does. He did with Djemba and co. But he kept his faith with certain players – O Shea, Fletcher, Park, Ronaldo, Rooney etc. All of them became pivotal players for us and we destroyed once more. What people forget is that Fergie is an old man. And old people are more prone to mistakes.

        But we’re FUCKING 2nd in the table. I am not dissapointed in any way with how this season is going. ESP when u consider most people wrote us off in the beginning.

    • Chris 14:28 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      You’re picking on the wrong guy. Ferguson manages the football team. If you have questions about the finances or underspending or ticket prices address them to David Gill. Ferguson, quite rightly, avoids getting involved in this stuff. He takes the money he is given to spend and tries to win trophies. The same as he did when we were a PLC.

    • Lawrence 14:29 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Look, every United fan knows the restraints the Glazers have put us under, but despite this we are only 3 points behind the most expensive group of mercenaries in footballing history and have a great chance of overtaking them in the title race, all this with a supposed average squad which has been depleted enormously by injuries. Add that to the fact 6 years ago we were in a much worse position than we are now.

      Answer me this, who would you rather see running the football club than the greatest manager to walk to earth, in any sport?

      • TomPattison 14:34 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        I’m not calling for Ferguson to leave. He is the reason we are punching above our weight. I just feel he has drifted away from the fans over the past few years which is a crying shame for someone who will be regarded as the finest manager in our history. The way he wields his power to despatch players who cross him has always impressed me so it saddens me that he is unwilling to use that power to hold the owners to accounts when they squeeze the fans for every penny whilst lining their own pockets.

    • Rob B 14:34 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Excellent article as ever Tom, and very thought provoking.

      Personally, I have very defined thoughts about this subject, and similar topics in football.

      With this sport, us fans have an almost metaphysical connection. Our thoughts are governed by emotion as opposed to logic…and we swallow most of the party lines that come out of our club (See LFC last few weeks) and digest in full stuff what we consume from the media, including tweets, etc.

      Ferguson is indeed a living legend within footballing circles, but I think the God-head status we give him as a man sometimes is over-the-top. He is indeed human. He is indeed an employee of a set of bosses we care nothing for. He does have his own agendas..which include being employed as manager of the worlds most famous team, and the fame, adulation and money that brings to an individual. I think the whole thing about him..and managers in general..having the responsibilty to bridge the gap between fan and club is wrong. For me his job is to win matches and to win trophies…and that is it. Football is not politics…at least not on the pitch. The stuff of it that goes on…press conferences, contract wrangles, mind games, etc…are all rubbish in my opinion. The only off field activities that fans can point at and take to heart are transfer signings, and issues of club finance (two facets that are connected at the hip)

      I totally understand many MUFC fans disillusionment with SAF backing of the Glazers, when many consider Fergie a beacon of truth…but thats simply comic book. He was never going to go against them…in the same way you or I do not rebel against a disliked boss…cos said boss pays your wage and that in turns pays your bills and lets you buy Ipads & George Foreman grills.. that matter in the common man’s suburban lifestyle of 2012.

      Ultimately Sir Alex, Manchester United, FIFA and every player on the planet lie to fans…using the press as a vehicle. It is not a case that one man who has been at the helm does anything different to anyone else in this twisted game. The question of lies needs to be directed at the game itself…if honesty is indeed the most importand thing we crave from it.

      Personally im not interested in Sir Alex’s opinions about anything other than playing related matters of urgency. Do I expect him to say our MF is trash and he agrees with the fanbase…not in the slightest…so therefore I dont crave his feed back on this. Results will dictate whether he still has the tools to do the job…if we were sat in Chelsea’s current position..id think it was time to start that debate.

      The old man is 70 now. He is at the endgame. I do not see anything him doing now as effecting his legacy at all. 20 years of success after Ron Atkinson’s jewellry and swagger? Not bad in my book. If City hadnt won the Middle East lottery then i just dont think this debate would be a topic of discussion

      The concept of a football club is no longer a socialist ideal…all linked together in a happy heirachy of mutual benefit. The football club is a capitalist model, and we all feed that with our season tickets, shirt purchasing and financial dedication to the brand. Sir Alex is just a cog (a huge one) in that machine. He sticks his rep on the line and I respect that. He knows he will upset some of the fans with his actions and words, but he rises above it…because trophies are his driver.

      I criticize the man all the time…but I will never forget what he delivered to a fallen giant that was once…and may well be again soon…a Manchester United team that regularly wins nothing….ever.

    • richard 14:39 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Have you completely lost the plot. 4 EPL titles in the last 5 years with a team in transition. The lost of VIDIC for the season, Anderson for 4 months, Cleverly for as long, both Brazilians FB’s for months,Fletcher for as long, Wellbeck in and out of the squad with injuries, same with Rio, Hernandez for a month, Smalling for weeks, Jones for weeks, Evans for weeks, Young for weeks. etc etc etc and yet we are 3 points back!!!! City buying up half the worlds best talent save Barcelona and Real Madrid and without serious injuries to their top players and yet we are 3 points back. No respectable United fan would argue against Ferguson.He has earned the right to do it his way!!!!!! The problem with some of us is that we have been spoiled!!

      • Minhaj 04:51 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Not at all he lost the plot mate. It doesn’t matter how long you have been at the club, doesn’t matter what legacy you have earned, BUT you have no right at all to mislead the faithful fans who pay their hard earned money to watch your team play. Ferguson has been lying all along in relation to transfers policies. Typical Fergie phrases like no value in the market and no quality in the market are utterly nonsense and misleading indeed. Where was no value in the market when he bought Juan Veron for then a club record of £28m, at a time our midfield was already gifted and talented if not one of the best. And how much game time did he got in his time at united? And how much profit did united made after selling him to Chelsea after only a short spell at our club? As far as i remember united sold him for not even half of the purchase fee!

        Where was the value and honesty when he said that he sold Beckham to Real Madrid for not able reject too good of a offer and that Beckham was approaching end of his career. and it was all against Beckham’s will is well. That guy loves & dreamed to end his playing career at united. Anyone who even has the most stupidiest brain ever would know that Beckham perhaps is the only sports person in the world that would still bring you profit even if he gets paid the highest salary and that including even if he don’t get any game under his belt.
        He was sold to Real for such a high fee that most of which they recover after only two weeks of his number 23 shirt selling. And in my humble opinion he would still walk into our current midfield at any given day. He can still surely cross better then CARRICK can’t he? In addition he can still assist goals, he can still score a goal every often compare to CARRICK’s one in a million year and he would still have the best corners and free kicks taking ability compare to not only CARRICK but also the rest. All he wanted is Beckham out of united, simply he had a bust up with him. HE LIED!
        All i am saying we have made Fergie is our GOD and he has started to misuse his authority. “No question about it” (Fergie’s best phrase)

        • Humanoid 19:57 on January 8, 2012 Permalink

          youre forgetting that even with those few bad decisions we still owned the fucking league, mate.

          i mean if as a United suporter u cant trust fergie who has destroyed and rebuilt teams succesfuilly over the years than you might as well just leave the damn hall.

          and LOL at your Carrick criticism. He isnt a Roy Keane type of midfield general or a Scholes type goalscorer mf. Stop treating him like he’s one. Here’s a piece of advice mate. Get your head out your arse and start actually watching matches and analyzing these things. People like you are a stain on this club.

    • TomPattison 14:57 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I guess being an idealist I hoped Ferguson might be different to the rest given the length of time he has been at the club. My expectations of that have never been high – especially his claim that looking after his twenty staff were all he cared about when the Glazers took over. It does stick in the throat though that other clubs – especially in Europe – don’t run themselves in a fashion where the fans are so low on their list of priorities.

      I agree that we have certainly been spoiled Richard and expect and understand your reaction to criticism.

    • Stecraven 14:57 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I do think the injuries the squad have suffered from has exasperated our situation but let’s be honest our MF problems have been well documented for 2-3 years.

      I agree with Rob, if the bitters hadn’t won the middle east lottery we wouldn’t be talking so negatively as a fan base. We have to look at the bigger picture because when Abramovich came to Chelsea the same conversations happened, we were finished, it was the end of an era etc etc. But history tells us that any of the teams who have this massive cash injection over a short period of time and challenge us may burn brightly for a short period of time but then normal service is resumed (in my lifetime blackburn, chelski spring to mind).

      Rob also makes a great point that in the wider picture, as the general public, we are lied to and manipulated on a DAILY basis. With the way the beautiful game is such a capitalist venture like any other big business, we would be naive to think that the same doesn’t apply to football.

    • gareth lewis 15:46 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I agree, however i think it is Fergie who does not want to spend! He is always on about no value in the transfer market, but he has wasted money in transfers of sub standard players over the past few years which could have bought us one top class midfield player, i do not think that he could not get the money, i think he is pig headed in trying to raise another youth team like he did over 12 years ago.

      • Minhaj 05:01 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        ABSOLUTE
        AND WHY SPEND £18ML on someone like CARRICK, i mean WTF
        i mean with same amount we could have bought 18 Demba BA’s and convert them into midfielders
        and surely at least one of them would have become a better player then CARRICK.

        • Humanoid 19:55 on January 8, 2012 Permalink

          If you have even the slightest of a footballing brain you’d realize that Carrick has been integral to our success ever since he came, its just the last 2 years that his form dipped.

    • Ryan 16:22 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Great article. Brave too because not many would be able to say this about Fergie because of all he’s done, but I agree with most that’s been said. We bring in the most revenue in the world, yet we cannot spend it. Everybody knew what was was going to happen when the Glazers came in, everybody knows what really is going on now and Alex is denying it. I firmly believe that the Green/Gold protests should start again. I also agree with the fact that he distances himself from the fans. This firstly with the media who cannot ask him a proper question – they’re all shaking and stuttering because they are so afraid. It also coincides with the fact that he doesn’t bring out books anymore, like he did in his earlier years.

    • dq73 19:12 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Perfectly put! any fool can see we need investment, I’m not buying the whole – no value, nobody of sufficent quality etc lines. We dont just need to compete in the prem with city etc, were suppose to be member of the elite world class clubs, the best of the best, so we also need to compete and surpass the Barcalona’s and R-Madrids. How can we expect to do this with our current team/squad. With the exception of Vidic NO WORLD CLASS PLAYERS. WhenRonaldo left so did the fantacy, style and swagger. World class players used to want to Play for Utd, now it seem the prefer to go else where, including city. No doubt the Sir Alex knows best brigade will condem any criticism of him and say give it time, Tom Cleverly will be back soon, we dont need to invest, and believe all the Glazer/SAF mantra. As the article says, SAF does make mistakes and plenty of them, I dont want to believe he is the Glazers pupet, but is seems obvious to 90% of fans and experienced pundits alike that the team isnt currently good enough yet he “says” there wont be any new faces. I believe he should be more accountable and take on board the views of the fans, does he think he is the supreme leader and that were all North Korean.

    • Brendan 19:30 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Didn’t Roy Keane say ‘People say Ferguson always does what is right for Man United. I don’t think he does. I think he does what is right for him”.

      • Humanoid 19:37 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        The irony of the situation is that so does Roy Keane. And since Fergie is the manager of the club, and is employed to them, whenever he thinks about himself he thinks about the club BY EXTENSION.

    • Brendan 19:38 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      just seen the keane quote at the bottom sorry lol. yeah i agree 100% on this

    • dee 21:04 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      im a season ticket holder for the past 5 years. ive been supporting all my life. Sir Alex Ferguson is perfection. All his actions are in the best interests of the club. you are just a t**t. if av a problem. F**k off. we dont want u as a utd fan. And dont wana hear the rubbish.

      • TomPattison 22:26 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        I am a huge fan of Ferguson and indebted to what he has done in terms of success – but to claim he is perfection I’m afraid is utterly blinkered. No-one can be perfection. Like any human – however brilliant – he is fallible. He has acknowledged to mistakes in the past himself such as the sale of Stam. I’m sorry if it isn’t clear enough to you but I feel I articulate the point that it is the heart of the club – the fans – that I believe are not being served in recent years. Despite your polite request I won’t stop following the club I love because you don’t share my point of you.

      • Minhaj 05:15 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Go and suck Fergie’s d***

    • RedScot 21:15 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Having read this article twice, I simply cannot believe what I am reading to be honest.
      Utterly amazed this post has not be met with the type of response that was written on the Faithful during the Patrice Evra article, naturally with out the vulgarities and racial undertones.

      Its quiet sad that a mere few months after Sir Alex’s silver laden jubilee and the North stand being renamed the Sir Alex Ferguson stand . The fabulous testaments that were written bye nearly every United forum on how they adored him and what he had done for Manchester United. Providing so much pleasure and unrivalled success, to now witness such ‘back- stabbing.

      1. Are you unhappy that United have just won their 19th premiership title knocking his aim, and your know doubt of their perch?
      2. Are you unhappy he has led United to 3 champions league finals in the last 4 years.Before this season.To be eliminated in the final bye arguably the greatest club side in the World ever.Winning the champions league cup for United for the 2nd time.
      3.Are you unhappy we sit 3 points off Manchester City ( having spent nearly 1/2 a Billion pounds) to assemble the squad.With 18 games to go.
      4.If you expect him to come out and be critical of the Glazer for the lack of investment in United. Approx £ 10.1 Million per season under their tutelage.What shall he say. “They are s***e owners and do not support me with funding.How will that help.
      5. If you think they are s***e owners and you have a season ticket at Old trafford you are a hypocrite.
      And rather than blame Sir Alex Ferguson and call him a liar look at yourself.
      6. If you want to help the situation get behind the team and the players we have.
      7. Sir Alex will be gone in the not to distant future, then we will see what he provided in his 25 years to date and whatever the small remaining period may bring.
      8.The way you paint it in the article most of it Red Herrings, is he has the ‘wagons circled’ all the time.No he is defending Manchester United against external critics.Letting them know, this is my lifes work.You will not ridicule or malign my club. Manchester United.
      9. As I said I am absoloutely amazed to read this and can’t imagine what would provoke such an article at this time of the season. As a club we should all be pushing on, and fully supporting the football club.Not in my opinion trying to nail the manager to a cross, to crucify him.
      10. David Gill is culpable and the ‘financer’ and its him you should direct questions at regards lack of funds, if it is the team you believe is so wrong.Which I believe, but I support United and whatever players we have, to otherwise defeats what I am. A young United supporter.
      11. If you are unhappy with him, and seriously think he is a ‘ liar’ maybe he should resign.That would solve everything.Yes?

      This will be the last time I post on the Faithful, I will not be party to a site that thinks my ‘hero’ is a liar.
      Goodbye.

      • Minhaj 05:13 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        This is what i mean, people like Scott are so old and gold that they still think like they’re still living in the 1960′s. People like Scott made Fergie who’s today. People like Scott him from Sir Alex Ferguson into King Of EGOson. People like Scott made him the ultimate GOD.

      • Humanoid 19:37 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Thank you for posting the same thoughts I had formulated in my heart, RedScot.

        • Minhaj 21:43 on January 8, 2012 Permalink

          Ha ha u welcome matey but THIS IS 2012 :)

    • Alan 22:07 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      As a supporter of sixty three years, can’t argue with that. Looks like the feet of clay syndrome. Will he tread the same path as Brian Clough?

    • Alex 23:16 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      My god. You are an idiot.

    • jarul 02:34 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      i agree 100% with you
      the problem is ferguson afraid of glazer
      i think it is time to quit

    • red devil 69 02:56 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Alex Ferguson will prove you wrong again. Then you you back stabbing twats will pretend you always supported him!

      • eric the king 09:53 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Why is it backstabbing to prove somebody is lying to you? Stop being such a fool, the article doesn’t call for him to quit, it calls him a liar.

    • Minhaj 03:45 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Oh my fukin God you’re the person, the first person i found that matches my opinion 110%. I just don’t have your excellent writing quality. Anyway what p***** me most is that when Fergie say there isn’t a quality player up there to challenge the existing one’s, is like we have Xavi & Iniesta in our midfield. We have perhaps one of the Shiitest midfield even compare to Blackburn & Bolton. And most of all I HATE CARRICK.

    • jon0077 05:35 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Brilliant!!! I only wish someone would make him read it, i’ve been saying it all along, well done great stuff!!

    • Dave 08:25 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Excellent, I agree with everything and very well written. The “no value in the market” & “we only want quality players who will improve the team” type comments annoy me so much, smacks of not only lies but complete madness when you look at Bebe, Obertan etc. I read fans comments all the time and it strikes me that we feel he cannot do a thing wrong and the old ‘trust Alex’ stuff is always said. The fact is he has lied to us to protect those yank twats and thus is biting the hand that feeds him. It’s a disgrace that we can’t compete for the players that have quite obviously joined city for money but the players that are responsible for their rise. So Alex, Bebe was worth 7 million but Aguero & Silva weren’t worth their costs??? Silva wanted to signfor us. All these would be coaches who said Schneijder wouldn’t fit in etc suckin up to Ferguson & his smokescreens.. Great article that says everything I’ve thought for s few yrs…

      • Minhaj 21:47 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        “no value in the market” & “we only want quality players who will improve the team” 

        They annoy you BUT they PISSES ME OFF mate. Its so obvious that he don’t have the financial backing or simply lying, FULL STOP.

    • Tom Addison 09:37 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Cracking stuff mate, great argument and bloody well put, can’t disagree with a word of it

    • eric the king 09:51 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I’m so glad somebody is putting into an article what I’ve been saying for years vocally.
      Yes, I’m so grateful for the memories of the fantastic teams of 94, 96 & 99. Andw of course 2008.

      The worst thing is, they are quickly becoming memories. The team compared to that just 3 years ago is shocking. No recognized rightback, indecision in goal, which is no criticism of de gea, he simply does not have the experience, the embarrassing bottom half of premiership quality centre midfield, & on & on.

      The problem in writing an article like this is, as I expected, you attract the snipers at once.
      You haven’t called for fergie to resign, we ALL know we would be much further down the league with theses players & ANY OTHER manager.
      But just because of this, you cannot detract from serious issues.
      No, he won’t directly criticize his paymasters & put himself out of a job, but surely he has the financial security to not have to go to such pitiful lengths to protect the glazers & to actually slate people for daring to point out the obvious.
      Don’t forget, this is also the shipyard shopsteward, your common working man, who told probably some of the clubs most fanatic, & time serving supporters to f off & support chelsea if they don’t like it, because they dared to point out this day was coming.
      Just because you have the honestly to say, hey, actually, everything isn’t ok in the once rosy united garden, does not make you a traitor. The facts are you ARE being lied to, & as I knew, the fergie knows best brigade, come steaming out, put it this way, if utd was their marriage, would they put up with such dishonesty & contempt from their wife. To pretend the problems dont exist is to be somebody’s fool, & it doesn’t make you less of a fan.
      As rightly pointed out, much of this falls at Gills feet also, though the article isn’t about Gill.
      As it says, its about lies, & to claim that money is there, decent players aren’t gets more pathetic by the week. Tell that to city, Madrid, barca etc. As for y’days comments of “who do you get in January,? Nobody!”, well tell that to messers vidic & evra.

      For the record, although always against the gimps takeover, I kept going til summer 2009, which I guess does make me a bit of a hypocrite, though better that than a mug, then I jacked in because I simply could not accept the theft of the Ronaldo money. The people pretending that 3 points behind, injuries etc, & totally ignoring the massive incomes yet cronic underinvestment aren’t uberfans in my book, they are merely encouraging the problem, though its not my place to tell them how to live their lives.

      If something is not right, despite doubts of owing loyalty that you will obviously feel, don’t be afraid to point it out, you get nowhere in life turning a blindeye & being taken for an idiot.

      • Humanoid 19:47 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        here’s a question for ya mate. how did u feel in 2005 and 2006? when united went down the gutter for real? u really think our team of this year is as inconsistent as that team? we’re still challenging for the title and doing quite well, just 3 points off the pace and just knocked city out the FA cup. but we rebuild with that 2005 side too and won the UCL in 08. so yeah.

        If someone is giving u good memories, u need to accept the bad memories that come along with it. because I’m sure 20 years of mediocrity with an un-lying supposedly honest manager wont sound as good as 20 years of awesomeness with a few blip years here and there.

        • eric the king 23:15 on January 9, 2012 Permalink

          I totally appreciate not all times will be great, however in 2005&6 we weren’t being starved of cash like we are now. If we were playing in front of 25000 & charging a tenner for tickets & we didn’t have such massive amounts of cash coming in, fair enough, but thats not the case, far from it, & I would say fergie would have more dignity saying nothing on what is surely a tricky situation for him, that take people for fools with this money is there bollocks, I’ve been allowed to sign whoever I want.
          We used to bully clubs, like the stam, ruud situations to get the top players we wanted, now if chelsea or the like get mentioned, unless its a case of like ashley young who had eues only for united, then we won’t even try to compete for them.
          That’s what I find unacceptable. I’m not calling for fergies head, I’m saying stop taking people for fools to protect the thieving Gimp parasites.

    • Adam Love 09:53 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Couldn’t agree more. I can’t believe Ferguson has sat back and let the Glazers destroy the empire he helped to build.

      • Humanoid 19:36 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Since the Glazers came in, we’ve won trophies. Same as before. Empire being destroyed? What drugs you on, mate? Send some my way. ;)

        • Minhaj 21:52 on January 8, 2012 Permalink

          @ Humanoid the NO1 GLAZERS online blogging agent, what is your per blog wage mate, tiny must be $$$ yes? Go and fukk Glazers mom you dikhead!
          We carry on winning is because of our already established foundation and the Yanks contributed nothing but destroying our beloved club!

    • Tony 12:27 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Brilliant resume of the reality with Ferguson. I suspect he is happier with old men players round him as it makes him feel he still young but in truth he has lost his way leaving players like Morrison and Pogba likely to leave soon yet keeping rubbish like Park, Gibson, past-it Giggs et al.

      • Nigel 18:36 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Past- it Giggs? He’s getting even better, I can’t believe the negativity. So, SAF isn’t giving youth a chance, with Welbeck, Jones, Smalling, De Gea .. and De Gea doesn’t have the experience? Do you think Pogba and Morrison do? From what I’ve seen of them, they’re both good prospects, nothing more as yet and don’t deserve a chance above the excellent Giggs and Carrick. Cleverley is a far more certain bet.

    • Nik 12:50 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Moron!

    • Humanoid 19:32 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      “At times his treatment of the fans has been verging on contempt.”

      To be honest, if the fans had called for my head right before I had delivered to them the type of success that they could have never even dreamed off, I would treat them with the HIGHEST of contempt. Just saying.

    • Minhaj 19:35 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      .

    • Minhaj 19:35 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

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    • Humanoid 20:02 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      All the comments here… they remind me of something that’s very common in our modern society.

      A parent cares for his kid but the kid takes up little points and turns them into huge things to cause an argument over, even if the kid’s life is going swell and the parent has a proven track record of dealing with the hard times and bringing in more happy periods. But the kid will always be an ungrateful brat who takes up a couple points where the parent lied as things to cause wars over. My suggestion to all you success spoilt brats – keep calm or leave the hall. Y’all acting like we’re in the relegation zone. Y’all acting like you never told a lie in your life. Y’all acting like a bunch of people who’ve never seen how a real rugged old school fucker with a sense of pride acts. Because that’s Alex Ferguson. And that’s why I will always admire him. He takes no shit, not even from the fans.

      And this marks the end of my comments. I know better than to argue with close minded people who only see their side of the picture.

    • Dean ,Collyhurst, Manchester 20:36 on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      This used to be a good well respected united blog, but articles like this and most of the comments that follow read like the childish spoilt ignorant sort of thing you see on the clubs facebook page.

      I suppose this is just the typical attitude of the clueless new age internet plastic United fan.

    • Roy Brennan 09:39 on January 9, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Absolutely spot on…a galloping case of Roman Emperor Syndrome – well done!

      Fergie should have backed the fans many times over and yet instead he chooses to lie down with the Glazer camels. Ultimately either he or the next manager will wake up with fleas and a club in irrevocable decline.

      He is a genius, and I admire and love him for what he has brought to our club over the years, but he’s sadly also a massive liar and I find his attitude toward the fans unacceptable. I gave my season ticket back some time ago and I fear greatly for the future of our club.

      Without its true fans, a football club is already in decline IMO. SAF’s actions, together with Judas Gill, are actually aiding the Glazer parasites to gradually bleed the club to death. I for one thought that he stood for much better principles than have been demonstrated and feel utterly betrayed by him, his condescending comments towards the supporters and his continuing silence and support for the greedy asset stripping owners…

  • Rob B 14:04 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply
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    MUFC: Apocalypse Now! Is 2012 The End Of Fergie’s World? 

    “The 2012 phenomenon comprises a range of eschatological beliefs according to which cataclysmic or transformative events will occur in 2012.  This date is regarded as the end-date of a 5,125-year-long cycle in the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar. Various astronomical alignments and numerological formulae have been proposed as pertaining to this date, though none have been accepted by mainstream scholarship”

    Knee jerking is the football fans favourite hobby.

    We love nothing more than to have a good moan and sometimes even a cry, when our clubs misfire and perform like they are a bunch of pub footballers.

    The collective skin of The Faithful is sore and swollen this morning, after a second defeat in just a few days. United being beaten is not a new thing. United playing very poorly is not a new thing…but us spoiled fans are not used to the two things together on a regular basis. More worryingly, what has become more concerning is the trend of ‘apathetic United’…the team playing within themselves. Replacing flair with function. Having a mindset to just do enough rather than use the steamroller…as was once the United tradition. And the reasons for this shine like a beacon.

    On display last night was the full inglorious ecosystem of what has been happening to the MUFC food-chain over the last couple of years. You could even highlight this period of time with the term ‘Post-Ronaldo’ ..That’s not to say the United cannot survive, function or win without Ron. But it is certainly the only point I can pin point where we have seen a sea change in our team’s DNA. If Rooney really WAS troubled by the lack of quality when he was having his…ahem..’contract troubles’..there is every possibility he will feel all that again come the close of this January transfer window, when he looks round at his team mates in training. (More …)

     
    • Mourad 15:47 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Very good read, reallyell witten. Why such a gloomy ending?!!! First of all you don’t know what’s going to happen at city, money is not everything and there is no such thing as bottomless pit. Secondly a couple of well chosen additions to our squad plus the development of some of the younger players will turn it into a team capable of competing with the best. I do agree however we do need another world class player (or two). That will take us back to the days of Rooney and Ronaldo…if one couldn’t turn it on the other would.

    • sean 15:58 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      we are going through a tranitional period , that is it . if we dont dont win aything this season so be it but we will come good again

    • Aadescholes 16:02 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Well said and well written. Provided SAF compromises his stubborness add acknowledges the lack in midfield we could have been home and dry by now.Finally money will win and football will lose and that is well might be the end of sacnctity of football in 2012

    • Mourad 16:14 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Very good read, reall well witten. Why such a gloomy ending?!!! First of all you don’t know what’s going to happen at city, money is not everything and there is no such thing as bottomless pit. Secondly a couple of well chosen additions to our squad plus the development of some of the younger players will turn it into a team capable of competing with the best. I do agree however we do need another world class player (or two). That will take us back to the days of Rooney and Ronaldo…if one couldn’t turn it on the other would.

    • parkie_7 16:23 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Well written piece, but seems more defeatist than what you say on Twitter. We are after all, only 3 points behind City in the league, despite playing shit since October (except our Xmas trip to London). We miss the star quality of Ronaldo, that’s for sure, but I have faith in Fergie to find another one, as he has done time and again, and the lure of playing in red to be more than the lure of playing for oil stained £’s for some top players yet.

    • Dandivine7 16:37 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Fantastic article, I just think a creative midfielder a defender will do United good. Surprised People are not talking of Coloccini, He’s fantastic and very calm too!

    • Andy Q 18:04 on January 5, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Excellent analysis. I agree entirely that the midfield is an area concern. It is evident that a world class attacking midfielder is needed (for all of Cleverley’s genius, he is still a raw talent), and Fergie is well aware of this. His problem has and will always be the fact that he doesn’t want to be proven wrong, so he will stick with what he has. I hope his stubbornness won’t affect us too much in the future. #Forever United.

    • Wendy 20:51 on January 6, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      “Maybe even cry…”? I can’t help it; I get so angry that I do, admittedly, cry. I cannot imagine SAF running out of steam…that’s as painful for me to face as losing Edwin Van der Sar was. I always have faith that we’ll pick up the golden thread and begin lacing up the season with all the wins we need to get some piece (ANY piece) of silverware. I won’t stop believing that until the time comes that the math just doesn’t add up to a playoff victory for MUFC.

    • las artes 20:59 on January 7, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      The debate will go on for weeks to come but let’s be realistic about our football team from now on – they are not a world-class team and will not be until we give the current manager a chance to get things right.

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